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    Quote Originally Posted by Taskmaster View Post
    Just re packing a couple of survival kits.
    These two chemicals are very versatile when used individually and extremely hot when used together.
    Potassium Permanganate and Glycerine.
    Without a doubt my favourite chemical fire starter
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    Quote Originally Posted by 098steve View Post
    Without a doubt my favourite chemical fire starter
    At lunch during a Demo course, the Warrant Officer Clearance Diver walks out of the hut, and chucks a stick of PE-4 onto the campfire,

    which we were all sitting around

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tarrabah View Post
    At lunch during a Demo course, the Warrant Officer Clearance Diver walks out of the hut, and chucks a stick of PE-4 onto the campfire,

    which we were all sitting around
    My dad has told me stories of doing seismic exploration work, one of the guys would make coffee on a couple sticks of dynamite. Word got around that it made a good firestarter in the wet, and so it became common, as well as using the empty cardboard from the cap boxes and such. Then one day one of the crews didn't check in.....
    On a lighter note, the drillers would sometimes not get the holes deep enough, they were on production, so if they hit a rock or something, if the charge would fit in the hole, they'd bury the wire and call it done. Sometimes if they'd changed the oil in the drill engine, they'd pour the oil down on top because it would make a bit of a mess for the recorder truck when he set off the charge, funny games. Then they hear of one recorder, the truck needed to be on a flat surface, and the only level ground was right over the hole. So he figures, 10 feet of charge in a 40 foot hole, filled in over the top, no problems. you can guess where this is going, 12 foot hole.... turns out ten feet of dynamite is enough to dump an f150 upside down. Guy survived, but was spitting fire since he had to walk all the way back to camp after being dropped on his head! Now before anyone goes accusing my old man of being a liar, well, yes, he'd admit to telling a good story over a true one!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tarrabah View Post
    At lunch during a Demo course, the Warrant Officer Clearance Diver walks out of the hut, and chucks a stick of PE-4 onto the campfire,

    which we were all sitting around
    A bit off topic, bit still funny (I think so anyway). I spent a bit of time as an Assault Pioneer (they are the Infantry's version of Engineers so they do a fair bit of, among other things, demolitions work) and for my sins I did a stint at the School of Military Engineering as an instructor. There was a rumour going around that if you ate a certain amount of a certain explosive compound you would get high (God know how such a rumour started but it did). So a couple of young soldiers ended up in hospital because they broke the back off a Claymore mine and ate the contents, making themselves very sick, and not at all high. As a consequence, Claymore mines in the Australian Army now come complete with a warning sticker that simply says "Do not eat!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by 098steve View Post
    A bit off topic, bit still funny (I think so anyway). I spent a bit of time as an Assault Pioneer (they are the Infantry's version of Engineers so they do a fair bit of, among other things, demolitions work) and for my sins I did a stint at the School of Military Engineering as an instructor. There was a rumour going around that if you ate a certain amount of a certain explosive compound you would get high (God know how such a rumour started but it did). So a couple of young soldiers ended up in hospital because they broke the back off a Claymore mine and ate the contents, making themselves very sick, and not at all high. As a consequence, Claymore mines in the Australian Army now come complete with a warning sticker that simply says "Do not eat!"
    Heard similar stories about C4, in Vietnam, US Soldiers would supposedly eat a chunk and trip out?.

    One lesson I did take from the WO(apart from lots of push ups), was that you NEVER touched your head/face after handling PE-4(C4), the chemical traces on your hands would apparently leave you with an "explosive" headache?, he was a WOCD, Steve, I wasn't gunna' call bullsh!t.

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    Those stories always seem to me to be some guy explaining away why he was high to someone who didn't know. Its like every other meme about drugs, someone just says it, and some idiot tries it. The funny thing is that nitroglycerine is a vasodilator, so it would give you a bit of a headrush, make you feel like passing out, or plain knock you flat, so I can see how the link could get made as the story passes hands. I'm sure there are other compounds that would make some people feel messed up. When I worked at the oil change place we had a diff oil additive that you could taste if you got it on your hands. Chemistry is weird.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tarrabah View Post
    he was a WOCD, Steve, I wasn't gunna' call bullsh!t.
    Ha ha, yeah you have to be a brave man for calling any WO out for bullshit, even though most WO's love a good furphy as much as anyone. But it is true that PE will give you a headache, although I think it affects different people differently. I never got any headaches after handling it but I don't know if it was just because I was careful not to touch my face or just dumb luck. Other guys I knew got headaches after handling it though.
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    I saw the other day about using alcohol swabs/pads for fire starting and I thought I would give it a go. Ordered 100 (single use pad, 70% Isopropyl alcohol) off Ebay (was really cheap $3.49 for 100 including shipping) and results as follows

    Easy to light with a ferro rod (took me two strikes to get it to light) though burn time was short, like about 10 seconds and the pad didn't catch. My thinking now is to use several pads together to increase burn time.
    I also think cotton wool rubbed with petroleum jelly is better/cheaper though harder to store, the alcohol pads are self contained (in their own little rip open cases) and thin so store easily in kits and do have other uses (sterilizing wound sites)
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    yeah, iso doesn't have the heat that ethanol does, and at only 70% you are loosing some to boiling the water. That said, if your secondary layer of tinder needed more than a spark, it could get you enough to get going. I've found that with time they do dry out, so if they don't have an expiry date stamped. Take note and see how they are doing in a year.

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